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 Post subject: AK gun as a fighting implement
PostPosted: March 15th, 2010, 3:34 pm 
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Today I decided to perform 30 min of cold fire drills in a typical load out with an AK. I'm recently committed to using a Kalashnikov pattern weapon for any training I undertake this year, and in general as my go-to long gun, and relegating the AR to secondary status. Reasons being I really can't see the need to involve myself in anything outside of 25m, given where I live and/or where I am likely to find myself under threat. On that premise, I'd trade MoA accuracy for MoM adequacy if I can also have 123 gr of discouragement for hostiles included in the package. Better for cover penetration that one would expect in a metro area and putting an attack to a stop in general. Lastly, 7.62Soviet is much more affordable to shoot, train, and stockpile than 5.56. Those are my reasons, YMMV.

Ok. So I'd rather not wait for a course to figure out my gear layout doesn't work. The more time wasted addressing those issues is the less time that is spent becoming a better armed citizen. I've been working on some basic manipulation for a couple weeks now toward that end, but today is the first time I loaded on the gear that I'd choose to have at hand during a civil disturbance while doing it.


I've discovered a couple of things fairly quickly:

1. The idea that tactics/procedures that work for the AR also work for the AK is patently false.

2. I have not found a way to extract a new mag from a chest rig, extract the empty from the weapon, charge the gun with the new one, and replace the old mag in the rig without taking my eyes off the threat area or lowering the gun from eye level. Two problems. The magazine catch "notch" on the back of the mag interferes with the quick drawing/insertion of the mag into the mag pouch without looking. Rig used is an Eagle Universal from SKD TAC. The other issue is that my mags are a firm fit into the mag well of my gun. Lastly, unless you've got some really big mitts, there isn't an easy way to hold one ak mag with any degree of control while manipulating another into the gun. I may have to alter the system that I know second nature to include putting the empty/almost empty mag in back pocket first, then drawing a fresh one from the chest, lastly recharging the bolt.

3. The Soviet Bloc standard sling is not sufficiently long for anything but as a hasty sling. Transitions into prone or supine prone are slow and cumbersome because there is too much tension to allow the strap to smoothly slide across my back for quick sight acquisition. The same goes for transitioning to the handgun from a drop leg. Because I am required to "pull" the gun into position on the weak side, my weak side hand is put into an uncomfortable position before the gun falls fully, barrel down, on my weak side. The tension in the sling would become more pronounced if I wore anything other than the t-shirt that I had today.

4. Donning what I'd wear inside my home (reason for MY loadout) during a civil emergency is moderately heavy. I'm not in the condition of my earlier days but I'm also not a slob. Having qualified that, I imagine it would be a PITA to wear for several days straight in Georgia summer heat without AC. Best to get back into form sooner than later.

5. There really isn't a place on my rig for a radio. I also need to find a way to have some water at hand. Will try to integrate a Camelbak MULE into the system later today. There are probably better solutions but that's what I have on hand.

6. Applying the safety before performing a reload and releasing it upon its completion isn't viable on an AK. The charging handle isn't allowed the full range to strip a new round off the mag when the safety is on.


now, my questions follow:

1. What type and make two point sling do others use that is adjustable so as to allow enough slack to accommodate any chest gear that may be worn but also can be tightened down to assist in finding a stable shooting platform from sitting/prone?

2. How do you folks perform an admin or tac reload using an AK pattern gun?

3. What LBE gear do you own that extends itself to easy manipulation by AK sized mags?

4. What do you all do for hydration on the move? As in, the taps don't work or you aren't near one.

5. What other aspects of training/going to AK gun can you think of that I should keep in mind as a consideration?


What'ya think? Intelligent comments please. I only ask that folks not turn this thread into an AR v. AK debate. That isn't being discussed here.

Thanks for looking.

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PostPosted: March 15th, 2010, 8:53 pm 
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What type Ak is that?? It looks like a Romanian model. You have my ideal setup for when I hit 21 the Ak-47 which I have and a M&P pistol. Nice pic and good luck on your mag changes and everything!!! I choose to run the Ak platform as well.

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I haven't had any formal training with the AK, but I read Gabe Suarez offers some of the best AK instruction you'll find.


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I personally like the James Yeager from tactical response. If I needed contractor training on the Ak platform I would go to him.

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Looks like the closest SI class this year is in SC. From there, it goes to AZ, CO, MT, then HI. I don't think I'll be seeing any instruction with Gabe's firm in the near future. Too broke! If I can't drive to and from it in a day, it's a wrap, for now. Although I can likely drive to SC, they don't honor GA carry permit as I'm sure you know T, so that's a non-starter too. If I can't carry in a state then I don't go.

Jeremyd76, thanks for the kind words, and you are correct. It is a Romy G kit built on US receiver, FCG, forearm, gas piston, and muzzle device. M&P 40 is the companion to this load out. Good luck with starting a "family" of your own upon reaching 21 y/o.

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PostPosted: March 16th, 2010, 9:33 am 
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I have 3 "members" now in my family lol.But when I hit 21 you might as well call me a baby boomer.

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 Post subject: Re: AK gun as a fighting implement
PostPosted: March 16th, 2010, 4:13 pm 
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I believe this vid will help a little:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TegQiSObPZo

I run a WASR 10, but I have a Vltor AR stock adapter and I use a quick detach sling mount (single point). I also have an enhanced mag release that will drop the mag with one finger. BE advised though that the mag release works better with metal mags as the weight helps with gravity taking its effect. The polymer mags release in the rear, but swing in the front. I am currently looking at the Blackhawk AK chest rig. The Eagle one is hard to find. I hope I've helped a little...
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 Post subject: Re: AK gun as a fighting implement
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"I haven't had any formal training with the AK, but I read Gabe Suarez offers some of the best AK instruction you'll find."

I visit Gabe's sites and he makes compelling arguments for the AK. He also sells DVD's if you are not close enough for training. They are offering a Fighting Rifle Skills class in Montgomery, AL. Good Luck!


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Here's a couple more sling options:
Blue Force Vickers Sling.
Super adjustable with the sliding buckle . Has a quick disconnect on the back end. Very tough , robust and well made. A little on the heavy side and pricey.

Israeli issue sling:
Buckle adjustable back & forth , but not as fast as the Vickers . The Israeli also has quick lengthening feature that uses velco & a 2 piece squeeze buckle . One squeeze gives an extra 3 inches or so in length . Well made but not as tough as the Vickers . Has a small pocket for batteries, ear plugs , etc. Much lighter and costs a lot less than the Vickers .


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